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Democracy may not be a spectrum, but institutions can be more or less democratic in character. Achieving universal and equal suffrage for everyone over the age of 17 would be an incredible victory - how could it not be? - even though, in my opinion, the franchise should include everyone over the age of 18. When my states secretary of state purges the voter rolls of eligible voters, is that not an assault on democracy? Does it not matter? Having concepts of what makes an institution more or less democratic is a good thing. It's hard for me to see what claiming no victories gets us.

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So, democracy is the successful socialist revolution, as you see it, fully realized. I can see the appeal of this somewhat pedantic argument, but it's not how the "demos" thinks of the term democracy now. So your project is largely to get people to redefine what democracy means in common parlance, so that we can then have a way to talk about actually achieving it. It's a big order. The popular concept of democracy is a political struggle for freedom within a limited democratic framework, for political agency. We always push for expanded democratic rights. So yes, sometimes we have more, sometimes less. It is not an end state, even in a worker's republic. You are kind of taking the "no true Scotsman" approach to arguing that we don't have democracy at all. Why don't you just say you want socialism? We also say that societies are more socialist, less socialist, a spectrum of socialistic features, which I know is irritating to some socialists who insist there is only socialism as a worker's republic, and Medicare For All does not mean we are "more socialist." It appears that you are continuing that argument, but substituting the word democracy for socialism.

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